The perfect fish only tank setup for starter

nsamuel

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It all started when the 2 beta i bought for my daughter promptly died in their 1/2 gal tank within 10 days of purchase. This was couple of months ago and i started a vigorous aquarium research and have spent countless hours on the net reading various details about both freshwater and marine.

Now, i possibly can call myself an expert (but in theory). So, i have put together the best possible test kits, a 20 gal tank, a canister filter and various media, a seperate 20 gal quarentine tank with completely seperate duplicate items. Now i am ready for the final setup. After reading a whole bunch about planted tanks, i decided against it because i want my kid to have a easy to maintain first experience. The two biggest nuisances in freshwater tanks are algae and snail population explosion, in my opinion. To counter and prevent an algae outbreak, i have decided to employ a phosphate reactor. Now, i need to prevent and counter the snail outbreak. I know the chance of snails in unplanted tanks is not much. But, i have heard that snails do show up (i dont know from where) even in new tanks that dont have real plants. I would love to hear from people who have had this experience.

To prevent snails, i am thinking of including a loach in the new tank. Dwarf loaches would be the only choice i feel, since the tank is small. So, i am thinking of starting up the tank with about 4 male guppies (no females, to prevent guppy population explosion). The bottom dwellers would be 4 dwarf loaches. In my research i have not found any loach thats smaller than the dwarf loach. After a few months, i can add couple of more fish, if tank is stable and without problems. I would like comments from people who consider themselves freshwater experts or professionals. (I mean people who have run tanks for atleast 10 years).

By the way, my plants are going to be silk plants from local craft store. I will make sure that there is no or minimal iron bending parts in these plants. My filter media is going to be sintered glass, some carbon, phosphate controls, and final layer of poly-filter to absorb the iron that might wind up in water column. I considered purigen, but poly-filter is better, as purigen leaches Na+ ions. As far as i have read, poly-filter does not release anything in return for the things it absorbs.

I think the 4 fancy male guppies, and 4 dwarf loaches will coexist fine. I only wish i could find a snail eater that looks more pretty than the dwarf loach and which would put up a display for my kid. If i was not thinking of snail prevention, i would not include the loaches as a selection for my tank.
I considered zebra loach, but they dont come out as much as the dwarfs, even though the zebra looks more pretty.

Comments welcome - S.
 
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got a latin name for the dwarf loaches? not all loaches will eat snails. if you want something your kid will love that eats snails and puts on a show then get a couple of dwarf puffers, however watch them for aggression as they can and sometimes do nip at fins. btw, reading for a few months doesn't make you an expert, i've been averaging 4~6hrs a day on the computer reading about fish for the last 4yrs and am just at the intermediate level.
 
Oh, The dwarf loach is Botia Sidthimunki. You are expert in my opinion, if you read everyday for 4 yrs - thats worth a degree :-) i may not know all the fishes, but in general have a pretty good idea about freshwater systems. I considered the dwarf puffers, and they do look pretty, but ruled them out as they are aggressive.

The one thing i have not read much on is the topic of "disease prevention" and product comparions. Do you know if there are products for general immunity / health promotion. Just like how we get immune shots, maybe i can prepare my fish before they get a life in my tank. The couple of fish health books i have read, only talk about medications for various diseases, but no general purpose immunity booster has been mentioned.
 
I wouldn't worry about snails to much, i've only ever had one snail appear in one of my tanks. If i ever did have a problem with snails i would just put a lettuce leaf in the tank over night and in the morning just pull out the lettuce leaf with the snails all over it.

Also i don't put carbon in my filters as it needs changing every week and does not do much for your water apart from removing medications and tannins.
 
Well, first of all, the Yasuhikotakia sidthimunki do not like being kept in less than five in number, in which case, a 20g can permit a maximum of 6 which is worth the sacrifice of a few bucks in my opinion.

Second, I do not feel the use of fish to chop down the snail population is right. Manually picking them and throwing them to the bin along with controlling of feeding rations is your best bet. If you like these loaches, then go for it. Now I must warn you that these loaches can easily overwhelm all slow-moving fish and guppies are often one of those. Ditch the guppies and switch to harlequin rasboras and zebra danios. You'll need each in a minimum number of 5. Your 20g can permit 6 zebra danios and 8-10 harlies.

Third, you will be surprised that the loaches won't invade the bottom alone. They will attempt at all means to invade the mid and surface levels and outstripped all other fish for foods hence I suggested the rasboras and danios which are just as competitive.

You do not need the carbon. Keep that in your cabinet. You will only end up wasting your cash by replacing these stuff every 3-4 weeks. I keep my filtration simple. It's only sponges and filter floss. No need to complicate matters by buying plenty of other filter media.

You cannot consider the zebra loaches (Botia striata). However small they may be at 3-4 inches, they prefer plenty of swimming space.
 
The one thing i have not read much on is the topic of "disease prevention" and product comparions. Do you know if there are products for general immunity / health promotion. Just like how we get immune shots, maybe i can prepare my fish before they get a life in my tank. The couple of fish health books i have read, only talk about medications for various diseases, but no general purpose immunity booster has been mentioned.
The only solution is to keep up with the water changes because nothing can prevent a disease from occurring in your tank. Any claims that "magic products" like aquarium salt can prevent disease if added all the time is utter rubbish and a waste of time and money.
 
The only solution is to keep up with the water changes because nothing can prevent a disease from occurring in your tank. Any claims that "magic products" like aquarium salt can prevent disease if added all the time is utter rubbish and a waste of time and money.

Took the words right out of my mouth lupin. :)
You don't need a medicine chest or anything. Frequent water changes is the only way to keep you fish in good health. Clean water = healthy fish = better immune systems = less chance of contracting diseases. On top of that, the only chemical that you should be adding to your water on a regular basis is dechlorinator. Everything else should be temporary if even used at all. The osmotic pressure from the total dissolved solids (TDS) of adding chemicals and other things in your tank is not good for the fish. It will most likely do more harm than good. So keep chemicals and medication usage at a minimal. I don't think I've had any disease outbreaks in over 6 years, no chemicals, just weekly water changes.

Also I wouldnt worry too much about snails. I'm too lazy to keep live plants, as most of my fish tear them up and uproot them so I've never kept any and never once did I find a single snail in any of my tanks.

Btw, I don't think just because someone has been keeping fish for a long time means they know what they're doing. I have friends who are relatively new to the hobby (less than 2 years) who practice better fishkeeping habbits than some other people I know who have been keeping fish for 20+ years.
 
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I've been reading for god knows how long now(I mean, intensive on and off spurts over the past 11 years, I borrowed most of the books in my library chain). I can give some good advice (hopefully), especially because I have kept tanks in that time, but when compared to the experience many of the more experience keepers here have...it is not the same. I'm not saying that to be a moodkiller, but as advice coming from one person who's been there to another:)

However, most people don't read, or even keep a quarantine setup! So please don't feel I am trying to be negative. Canisters are awesome.

As for the snails, why take such a big precaution? Set up the tank with the school of fish you want and if nothing has turned up in a couple of months you can either go with the loaches or with something which appeals to you more. As Msjinkzd said, also, squished snails are good food, so if a couple turn up, you can simply do that. If you're like me and can't, you can also start a snail jar or give them away to your LFS.
 
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Thanks guys for the feedback. I wonder where the snails originate from in the absence of live plants. Anyways, the chances are slim and i was only considering it because my kid has to take care of this tank and i will be away from home for few months this year. I guess she can handle it, if snails do appear. So, i will ditch the loaches and perhaps replace them with other bottom dwellers that might help clean up the waste at bottom. This way i would have fancy guppies at top and some others at the bottom without much conflict. My criteria is that the fish has to be small in size and look pretty to kid. Can i get some suggestions for the bottom dwellers beyond the dwarf plec (peckoltia pulcher) and corydoras.
 
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