Mafia 59 - MAFIA WARS - The Play

(Sorry I haven't been more active this game. I am extremely sick. )

I vote to lynch TRS.
I think he is just trying to play the innocent card. I am totally not buying it. Frog (a known innocent) did try voting him first thing. I am not sure how much can/should be read in that, but there might be something to it.

I know Annie is claiming the same thing. I am not opposed to switching my vote to him.

Am keeping my eye on a few others. Some others seem to be really helpful. Some not so much. That is all I am saying for now.
 
AnniesNotOK said:
But while I have a sec...

What is your favorite maple tree?
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Hey that's my bit!! And why do people answer yours quicker than mine?

<Japanese Maple, because they are tiny and nice and red :frog:>
Luvbugz said:
(Sorry I haven't been more active this game. I am extremely sick. )

I vote to lynch TRS.
I think he is just trying to play the innocent card. I am totally not buying it. Frog (a known innocent) did try voting him first thing. I am not sure how much can/should be read in that, but there might be something to it.

I know Annie is claiming the same thing. I am not opposed to switching my vote to him.

Am keeping my eye on a few others. Some others seem to be really helpful. Some not so much. That is all I am saying for now.
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That makes it a three-way tie on all the Frog voters. I think we are giving a lot of people a pass here because there are certainly many more Mafia than the one or two (or three) that voted Frog, but I know definable facts are nicer than abstract facts and since we KNOW at least one Mafia was on Frog I guess that's what we follow today. I personally still find Luv's non-explained vote more scummy than most of the back and forth so far (sorry your sick Luv).

That said voting for Rich or TRS puts me voting with people I find scummy, so that really only leaves JL. I believe he has skimmed while calling others out for skimming.

I vote to lynch JL.
 
Okay, JL.. I need to ask this. When you had this backward and got Ice's vote wrong.. you suggested Ice was possibly saving Luv... as in Ice=mafia and Luv being his mafia teammate. We know Ice was mafia so this connection makes Luv mafia too. And you gave this reasoning just before you voted Luv for that.

johnlarson66 said:
I am glad Frog went, I hate that they were innocent and there is really no innocents to spare. Atleast Ice was mafia. Frog was just not getting it.

I still am not against voting for Luv. Maybe Ice moved to frog to save Luv.

I vote to lynch Luv.
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However... you got that all wrong. Here, Zsand corrects you.

ZSandmann said:
JL I think you are skimming too, Ice moved to Luv.
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So here.. you acknowlege the goof up and apply the same suggestion again in the reverse (but correct) case where Ice voted Luv (not Frog).

johnlarson66 said:
Yep, I added 1 and 1 and got 3. Can't blame skimming as much as thinking too much.

Odd that Ice would move at nightfall to vote Luv and attempt to save frog.
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I didn't worry about the error so much as I do now about your adding on that last part characterizing the switch (again) as an attempted save. What is this, a reflexive habit you have to just toss out motives/accusations/suspicions like that without even thinking them through first?

Ice was mafia.
Frog was innocent.

Why on earth would a mafia player try to save an innocent?

At the time, Ice didn't know Frog was innocent... but then.. why risk his neck with a late-timed switch to save an unknown player? Frog was obviously not Ice's teammate.
 
Kashta said:
Okay, JL.. I need to ask this. When you had this backward and got Ice's vote wrong.. you suggested Ice was possibly saving Luv... as in Ice=mafia and Luv being his mafia teammate. We know Ice was mafia so this connection makes Luv mafia too. And you gave this reasoning just before you voted Luv for that.



However... you got that all wrong. Here, Zsand corrects you.



So here.. you acknowlege the goof up and apply the same suggestion again in the reverse (but correct) case where Ice voted Luv (not Frog).



I didn't worry about the error so much as I do now about your adding on that last part characterizing the switch (again) as an attempted save. What is this, a reflexive habit you have to just toss out motives/accusations/suspicions like that without even thinking them through first?

Ice was mafia.
Frog was innocent.

Why on earth would a mafia player try to save an innocent?

At the time, Ice didn't know Frog was innocent... but then.. why risk his neck with a late-timed switch to save an unknown player? Frog was obviously not Ice's teammate.
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That is what seems odd, why in the world would Ice switch? There has to be some sort of reason. And that is exactly why I got mixed up on Ice's switch.
 
I would hazard a guess that Ice suspected Frog was Innocent and didn't want to be associated with the lynch of an Innocent on Day 1. Once it got close on votes towards Night he dove off like a rat off a sinking ship. He didn't know he would be Hit that Night.
 
My suspects: So far, I have 4 people on my mafia list.

1. Rich, JL, and TRS - I think all 3 of them are mafia (as I've posted before).
2. Luvbugz - Very likely mafia (as I've posted before).

Wonder about:

Jpappy - For not being all that suspicious of Rich versus JL and TRS. However.. Jpap is working quite hard clearing up confusion and kicking the bushes so he could be working for the town. However... Jpap always does that anyway when he's evil to appear innocent - and - multiple mafia teams means it's okay for mafia to go after mafia (not only innocents) as long as they aren't a teammate.

DD - For not really doing anything so far that's helpful to the town. DD got confused (skimming) and posted to address that. She's also sparred back and forth a lot with Jpappy for no reason. But what else? Nothing at all, really.

Annie - His random Day 1 vote on me was lame (even for him) and him professing innocence the same way TRS did.

Noodles - Voted Rich the first day and wanted to vote Rich today too. Then once she noticed JL and TRS were voting Rich.. she balked. Switched to JL instead. So she's not voting her top suspect, she's more concerned about covering her own butt by not voting alongside probably mafia players. But that makes no sense.. 2/3 of everyone are on one of the mafia teams. This isn't a black and white good vs. evil game.. it's a good vs. 3 different evils game. So this reasoning doesn't wash. Innocents and mafia are going to vote together a lot in this format.
 
Now to get my vote in... This time, I really wish I could vote for all 3 names at the same time. I'm leaning toward JL the most over Rich and TRS. That's mainly because JL made wonder if he was scummy when he agreed with me about Luvbugz and switched his vote the same way I was voting right after I posted. JL always makes me nervous when he does that... but it happens when he's evil and for the town, so I try to ignore that. Which puts this back to a 3-way draw for me.

Since JL is leading now, I'll vote Rich to tie that up. Maybe from a strategic standpoint, we'll see someone else switch off around. Or those who haven't voted yet will bring TRS back into the tie.

I vote to lynch Rich.
 
ok, so if we are going to vote for one of those that voted on Frog, I would say that TRS is the most likely suspect. JL seems helpful, Rich, I think he was pointed at from the start for a ridiculous reason and people are just riding on it, I have yet to see anything scummy... but TRS, somethings not right.

I vote to lynch TRS
 
While it is 100% fact that one of us (myself, rich, trs) is mafia. That is the only fact. It does not mean all three of us are mafia or even two of us are mafia - it only means that one is mafia for sure.

It would be very hard to take any three players and not have one of them be mafia.

The last three posters (Kash, ZS and Luv) - I am sure that one of them is mafia. The odds are in favor of the mafia. There are twice as many mafia as innocents. 8 - 4.
 
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