Make up your mind, Zaffy. Annie can't be both the turn from yesterday and the turn from today.
Mafia 54:Vampires Return (The Play)
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Make up your mind, Zaffy. Annie can't be both the turn from yesterday and the turn from today.
I answered plural because there are 3 vampires, and 3 is a plural number. So, I wanted to know who the vampires (plural) were. Ogre was a sure thing, I didn't think JM was a 100% sure thing. That would mean then that there were 2 possible unknown to me, but since I was talking about the total number of vampires being 3, that point is moot.
This game is done as far as I'm concerned. Zaffy has no coherent defense or accusation to make. There were 3 vamps alive.
Ogre
JM
Zaffy
The other two are already dead. Zaffy has to be the Lead Vampire. He was the only one left.
My vote stays on Zaffy. Whoever Zaffy turned at nightfall after both his teammates were killed doesn't matter. We just have to wait 24 hours to finish this.
Ogre
JM
Zaffy
The other two are already dead. Zaffy has to be the Lead Vampire. He was the only one left.
My vote stays on Zaffy. Whoever Zaffy turned at nightfall after both his teammates were killed doesn't matter. We just have to wait 24 hours to finish this.
Current votes so far.
Zaffy - Rocker(1434), Kashta(1441), Rich(1442), Coler(1453), Annie(1463)
Rich - Zaffy(1458)
No votes yet: Lani, Paper, Wycco, Zaffy
Zaffy retracted his vote - Post #1466
Zaffy - Rocker(1434), Kashta(1441), Rich(1442), Coler(1453), Annie(1463)
Rich - Zaffy(1458)
No votes yet: Lani, Paper, Wycco, Zaffy
Zaffy retracted his vote - Post #1466
No one responded to my logic. That is kind of odd? I think it was pretty definitive. If I'm missing someone I'd really appreciate someone responding so I can make my vote. I don't want to vote until this is cleared up.
First we exposed JL that left 2 vamps + a new turn.
This means JL was a turn correct? (I can't find that in the rules)
The turn ended up being dog who died, so only 2 vamps still.
Then we chose zsand, not a vamp, still numbers 2
Ok, back to 3, two vamps and 1 turn (lesser vamp)
1 vamp, 1 turn
1 vamp, 2 turns
2 turns
so, if I count correctly, there are actually 2 turns (lesser vamps) remaining, which means one of them, after being turned had to be given the LV.
Would they really pick Zaffy? That seems unreasonable. Before JL died it is impossible that he was a vamp.
Could he be a turn? Maybe
Could he be the lead vamp? I don't see that as likely.
Unless that whole lesser vampire thing just confused the crap out of me.
First we exposed JL that left 2 vamps + a new turn.
This means JL was a turn correct? (I can't find that in the rules)
The turn ended up being dog who died, so only 2 vamps still.
Then we chose zsand, not a vamp, still numbers 2
Ok, back to 3, two vamps and 1 turn (lesser vamp)
1 vamp, 1 turn
1 vamp, 2 turns
2 turns
so, if I count correctly, there are actually 2 turns (lesser vamps) remaining, which means one of them, after being turned had to be given the LV.
Would they really pick Zaffy? That seems unreasonable. Before JL died it is impossible that he was a vamp.
Could he be a turn? Maybe
Could he be the lead vamp? I don't see that as likely.
Unless that whole lesser vampire thing just confused the crap out of me.
Do you really not remember Rich being investigated or are you just playing forgetfull? I really don't think an innocent would miss this.
My thoughts are:
a) it is most likely (but not confirmed) either jpappy or Ogre held the lead vamp role at one point. Therefore they've probably already used their switch. Therefore- whoever the third vampire was BEFORE nightfall is the one we most need to get.
b) My suspect list for that third vampire going into last night is Annie, Zaffy, or Rocker. I wasn't overly convinced on Zaffy going in to today but his pretending to not know the rules and pretending to forget things is exactly what JL did whilst he was alive... I'm not convinced.
c) regarding last night they did one of two things. 1) went after someone already cleared as innocent. Kash or Rich 2) went after someone new and relatively quiet... Lam or PD.
d) Point c is only relevant in that- one of those 4 people may try to misinform us today. (possibly 2 if I'm wrong about the other vampire).
e) Who we really need to get to win the game is not last night's convert- but THE OTHER vampire. The one who is lead.
The case against Zaffy has been made above. Incoherent defence today- JM, switching from him. Relatively experienced yet under the radar player... exactly what the vampires were going for.
The case against Annie. Ogre told us to investigate Coler and Annie- I think this was calculated- that one is guilty and one was innocent. (I posted on this yesterday)- I doubt he would have fed us two innocents or two guilty names. They've been making a conscious effort to smear each other to maintain distance.
I investigated Coler and he came up innocent- so unless Ogre fed us two random innocent names- Annie could be a vampire.
Also Annie came to life yesterday and really started posting in ernest and with meaning. Was she the convert the night before this just passed one? Possibly.
The case for Rocker is less clear and mainly circumstantial. As I said yesterday he made the ideal pick for them so would have been a likely choice. He also waited until really late before posting despite being online hours before hand. (getting instructions). One scenario- and this is all conjecture is that he got the PM that he had been got by the vampires and mistook that to mean he was dead. It took a late PMing campaign to get him to come online and resume his role of vampire.
I admit the case for Rocker is less solid and is mainly guesswork about what could have happened.
For now, I VOTE TO LYNCH ZAFFY. This is subject to change- and I'm not as confident as most- he's one of the three most likely- but I'm concerned by the lack of an alternative- surely the two vampires would have an alternative lined up.
It's entirely possible that Zaffy was an early turn- or, really hope not, but also possible he's been the LV all along.
I tend to doubt he's been LV all along because his day one snaffu... I don't think the other vampires would have left Zaffy to perish or expose himself.
Therefore if Zaffy is a vampire- he is likely not the ORIGINAL LV- and so someone must have passed that title along to him if he holds it now.
As for, would he be a likely turn... you might think not- BUT think back to day two.
Ogre and JPap both made brilliant cases against Noodles- I already had half an eye on her although Ogre's case against her made a lot of sense.
Two known vampires making a fantastic case against Noodles- could it have been to distract attention from Zaffy so they could pick him... thinking he would be an unlikely turn and therefore a safe one.
24 hours later most people had forgiven Zaffy his snaffu.
I'm not convinced Zaffy is a vampire- especially considering the lack of a defence made against him. You Lam are the only one who has made any sort of defence against him. (which means if Zaffy is a vampire you might be too).
The only concern I have about Zaffy is- if he is a vampire- with only two left... why is no one protecting him- unless that's what you're doing.
I really do not know what to make of this. Zaffy is a good possibility but I do not think the foregone conclusion others were.
I could easily see Annie being the newest turn but I think rocker would be a better choice.
Does the hunter want to speak up it could really help this out?
I could easily see Annie being the newest turn but I think rocker would be a better choice.
Does the hunter want to speak up it could really help this out?
