Help! First Fish Disease!

MikeInOrlando

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I fed my fish this morning and noticed something wierd about one of my Blue Gouramies. His entire rear section had turned a dark color...almost as if he had been burnt. I also noticed a couple little white spots on him which I assume is Ich. Would Ich also be the reason for his tail section looking like that?What is this and how do I treat it? I do not have the benefit of a med tank so am I screwed here?
 
the colour change could certainly be stress related, probably from the ich.

Now, everyone has their own method, but What I do to treat ich is this:

add 1 tablespoon of freshwater aquarium salt for every 10 gallons of water (this is half the recommended dosage of 1/5 gallons.)

I tend to add half a dose of salt like this first, and then later on if the ich is still bad, I will add the rest of the dose.

usually, I find that 1/10 is sufficient.

Next, I ususally slowly raise up the temperature to about 82 (actually, I do it up to about 85 but everyone's fish are different and I would feel bad if fish died from my suggestions).

this temp raise speeds up the lifecycle of the ich parasite.

most of the medications we use for ich generally only work when the parasite is in transit from fish A to fish B. Thus, the quicker the ich gets off the fish and into the water, the faster the meds can kill it. The salt not only is unfriendly to the ich parasite, but it also helps the fishes slime coat, which is compromised by the parasites.

Next, I remove any activated carbon (this removes medication if unsaturated).

Now, its time to add an ich medicine. There are millions out there, just watch ones with malachite green in it as neons and frogs can be a little sensitive to that stuff.

I usually use Aquarisol as it is fairly mild and tends to be fairly fish safe.

I also usually add about 3/4 of a dose at first. ie for a 75 gallon I might add 45-50 drops.

most of the meds are added every other day. On the off days, I usually do a 15% water change. This helps to stop stress on your fish, bio filter and helps to remove the parasite from the water as well.

I usually treat until no white spots are seen on the fish, then treat for another day or so. The ich parasite reproduces in the gravel and the new parasites swim up into the water column. Thus, treating an extra day helps to stop any unseen parasites from surviiving.

Another thing: plants and meds do not often get along.

Hope this helps!
 
ps you will notice I am very conservative with my medication dosages. Having worked in the aquarium industry, I have seen too many tanks wiped out over night from strong meds.

Thus, I always tend to add a 3/4 to half dose at first and then increase only if necessary.

a lot of times, a full dose is not alway needed.

but sometimes it is. You just have to see
 
ps you will notice I am very conservative with my medication dosages. Having worked in the aquarium industry, I have seen too many tanks wiped out over night from strong meds.

Thus, I always tend to add a 3/4 to half dose at first and then increase only if necessary.

a lot of times, a full dose is not alway needed.

but sometimes it is. You just have to see

when you say activated carbon what do you mean? I have two filter cartridges that have little rocks inside them but they are the same two filters I had when I started like two plus months ago.
 
activated carbon is basically charcoal.

if the rocks in your filter are black and sort of shiny, they are carbon.

what kind of filter do you have?

emperor 400 bio wheel. If I remove them, won't I kill my bio filter?
 
No, you should be okay because there are lots of nitrifying bacteria on the biowheel itself which will remain on the filter.

However, you would be removing your mechanical filtration. What you can do is go to your local fish store and get a filter sponge and place it in place of the old cartridge.

while you are there, get a new cartridge with new carbon in it. You will need this at the end of treatment to remove the medication.

Before you start treating for the ich, lets be sure that it is in fact, ich.

does it look like little white raised 'grains of salt' on the fish?
 
No, you should be okay because there are lots of nitrifying bacteria on the biowheel itself which will remain on the filter.

However, you would be removing your mechanical filtration. What you can do is go to your local fish store and get a filter sponge and place it in place of the old cartridge.

while you are there, get a new cartridge with new carbon in it. You will need this at the end of treatment to remove the medication.

Before you start treating for the ich, lets be sure that it is in fact, ich.

does it look like little white raised 'grains of salt' on the fish?

I noticed white spots. I was more focused on the tail end discoloration. I had to head to work so I had no real time to see in full.
 
UPDATE on fish disease.

I made it home tonight, after stopping off at Wally World to pick up some ick meds (sans malachite green) and aquarium salt.

I am really looking at the fish in question, and I THINK I see a white spot on him, but he's got such a pale color blue on him that I can't really tell. (can't get the guy to hold still long enough, ya know?)

I'm looking for some of the symptoms like scratching and he's not doing any of that. I swear it looks something like he just barbecued his tail section. If not ick, what else could this be? I have a digital cam and I'll try to catch a shot of it that way.

He got into the light and I DEFINATELY saw some pronounced white spots on him. But why the burnt tail look?
 
the burnt tail could be a bacterial infection.

usually, any redness is the give away.

if it is just frayed fins, it is finrot, and that is easy to cure usually just by doing some water changes and adding the salt.

normally, meds are not needed for fin rot. just improve the water quality, add salt, and the fish's immune system will do the rest.

Can you get your ammonia, nitrites and nitrates tested?

this will help.

see if you can post a pic of the problem, that will help to.
 
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