Hair algae with zero nitrate, zero phosphate?

I have been quite successful at growing hair algae in my tank, though not quite as successful at getting rid of it. I've learned a lot about it though in the process. I agree with both Ace and CJ. A phosphate or nitrate reading of 0 probably just means the algae is using up the nutrients as fast as they're being generated. Silicates can also fuel algae growth, although usually you will see a diatom bloom with high silicates. Another thing to check is your lights. Old lights will shift their spectrum to one that is more favorable for algae growth. If your bulbs are more than a year old I would replace them.

The trick to getting rid of the algae is to eliminate their food source. To do that you need to figure out where it's coming from. A couple of culprits could be either bio-balls or filter bags if you have them. I change out my filter bags every day now (OK, sometimes every 2 days). These are traps for organic matter that decompose and release nutrients back into the tank. Also check up on your clean-up crew. I don't know how large your tank is, but in larger tanks it is easy to lose track of them. After a while their numbers can become depleted and they can't clean up your tank quick enough. You may need to replenish them. Also, pull out as much algae as you can each day. This is a way to export nutrients. When the algae dies in your tank, it release all the nutrients they took up right back into the tank, so you get a viscous cycle. I'm experimenting with dosing with alcohol in my tank, but it's too early for me to draw conclusions on whether or not it is helping (although signs are encouraging).
 
I had the same problem with the hair algae and tried the AlgaeFix Marine. Worked very well. But now I am trying to isolate the cause of the nitrates in my tank. GOod luck.

Could you expand more on your experience with this product please? Now that I read what you wrote, I am willing to give it a shot over a sea hare possibly. Thanks.
 
I used it once for green hair algae and it did help a bit at first, then I noticed my hermits and snails acting sickly and listless so I discontinued it's use. Soon after, red turf algae completely took over my tank.
 
Lots of good things in here:
Hair algae = loves light, nitrate, and steroid boost from Phosphate

That being said...it can be well rooted into your rocks also. If you have a decent visible amount of hair algae it is eating up the nitrates and phosphates...so if your readings say 10ppm of nitrates it is more than likely higher. Same goes for phosphates. Some spectrums of light promote better algae growth and bulbs going old can do this to. Long photo periods like over 8 hours is not recommended unless you have weak lights...intense lighting it should not go over 8.

There was another poster in the same position with similar story on tests for a differ issue ..cyano. The problem was detritus build up on the rocks themselves and sandbed...feeding the bad things from below/within what they sit on vs water column.

Take the live rock with hair algae and put it in a dark place for a month such as sump. Don't have one...then scrub it clean in a bucket of water you just siphoned. Clean every rock in the bucket and put them back in.

The suggestion of using Phosban, Rowaphos is great idea. I have always promoted people using phosban reactors to ensure phosphates are kept at bay.

Plus the other source of phosphate is also frozen foods...you should rinse them off before feeding.

Do consider if it is not the water you test daily...it must be the detritus build up on the rocks feeding the algae .....cleaning them would help a lot.
 
Could you expand more on your experience with this product please? Now that I read what you wrote, I am willing to give it a shot over a sea hare possibly. Thanks.

I've used it also...the reaction from some of my SPS was pulled in polyps from that. The algae didnt go away either.

The most successful attempt for my past algae/cyano problems was using phosban reactor. Since then its been great.
Phosban over that stuff any day... if you are willing to try something else to battle algae build up... Phosban reactor and media goes a long way. Several months till you have to change it out.
 
I have been quite successful at growing hair algae in my tank, though not quite as successful at getting rid of it. I've learned a lot about it though in the process. I agree with both Ace and CJ. A phosphate or nitrate reading of 0 probably just means the algae is using up the nutrients as fast as they're being generated. Silicates can also fuel algae growth, although usually you will see a diatom bloom with high silicates. Another thing to check is your lights. Old lights will shift their spectrum to one that is more favorable for algae growth. If your bulbs are more than a year old I would replace them.

The trick to getting rid of the algae is to eliminate their food source. To do that you need to figure out where it's coming from. A couple of culprits could be either bio-balls or filter bags if you have them. I change out my filter bags every day now (OK, sometimes every 2 days). These are traps for organic matter that decompose and release nutrients back into the tank. Also check up on your clean-up crew. I don't know how large your tank is, but in larger tanks it is easy to lose track of them. After a while their numbers can become depleted and they can't clean up your tank quick enough. You may need to replenish them. Also, pull out as much algae as you can each day. This is a way to export nutrients. When the algae dies in your tank, it release all the nutrients they took up right back into the tank, so you get a viscous cycle. I'm experimenting with dosing with alcohol in my tank, but it's too early for me to draw conclusions on whether or not it is helping (although signs are encouraging).

we are on the same page when it comes to advising ... you surely went through hell and back with cyano and algae in your past. :naughty:
 
At everyone that mentions phosban...is it pretty much the same thing as chemi-pure elite? That's what I use right now.
 
Sorry missed this yesterday. My experience with AlgaeFix apparently is different from those above... I did not experience any negative side effects from it. I dosed 1.75ml every three days and soon the algae was pretty much gone (you have to pull it out when it dies though). Once I got it in control, my lawnmower was able to keep up with it. I have since added some margarita snails and nassarus snails... . The margarita snails have been awesome and have eaten all of the remaining algae on the back of the tank and are now working on the stuff on the live rock.

My only problem now is the algae debris that is in the very back of my tank, behind the liverock...where I can't reach. I may end up having to remove my rock and cleaning back there and the rescaping to avoid the problem in the future.

Now, that being said, I also added phosphate remover and cut down dramatically on feedings. Now that I have more sps and lps I have started feeding again more frequently, but I target feed with hemostats so there is very little wasted food. Every three of four days I feel a cube of "coral food" with a syringe. That is the only wasted food that goes in the tank.
 
Chemi pure elite has some Ferric Iron Oxide

Phosban, Rowaphos that is purely Ferric Iron Oxide ...which is used to remove phosphate

So, regular chemi pure and a bag of rowaphos would be ideal?

Thanks, DSR for the answer!
 
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