Got some Gold Rams, and German Blue Rams!!!

here are some pics, I had to uproot all my plants to get them, I took pics of them in a net cuz otherwise they would just go hide as usual in places like behind the sponge, in the moss, under anubias, etc.

The bigger 1st gold ram
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Another of the bigger 1st gold ram
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The shyer smaller 2nd gold ram
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Another of the shyer smaller 2nd gold ram
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these guys are crazy hiders, they would be the winners and 1st place if there was a Hide-And-Go-Seek-TropicalFreshwaterFish

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NO answers you guys, you asked for pics, and here they are:)
 
I'd hazard a guess a both female, but its very hard to tell....
 
They actually both look like males to me, based on the dorsal. see how the back part of it extends out, its kinda hard to explain.

That second one could possible be female, idk.
heres a pic i found on google from cichlids.com
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Thanks for both replies, I would go with yours jetajockey cuz they both have more brighter orange coloration on their fins and are acting territorial as if they are both males. I will just trade in one of them for a female. I will wait until Friday to be sure that they aren't a pair.

Both the rams look identical except for size, the bigger one is always bugging the smaller one. I think I will trade in the smaller one for a female on Friday.

They are very good hiders. I can't find them even though I uprooted all my plants and they are all floating except for the moss which is attached to the gravel.

They just appear from nowhere:)
 
more pics would def help lol

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ill try to get more 2morrow as i am sleepin soon, and these rams aren't really the picture pose fishes unlike german blue rams.
they are scaredy fishes:)

the only pics i can get of them is when they are in a net or if i take the plants out, they calm down and realize they aren't in danger once they are in the net...........LOL

i can't take out the plants cuz that is my red cherry shrimp breeding tank, and i would lose like 10-20 babies from the moss and other stem plants
 
Sorry guys, I can't take pics cuz I have like 2 book reports, and 2 other projetcs + tons of HW from school. I'll get pics as soon as i can, but they will probably be crappy cuz the fish are always hiding, they still don't come out of the huge moss ball at all.
 
Does anyone know if a female and male will nip or fight with each other???

If the answer is no, then I am sure I have 2 males.
 
It really looks like 2 males to me. My females are usually very timid unless guarding eggs, but the males will go at one another until they get their own territories sorted out. If you put lots of structure, like pots, in the tank, it helps them establish a well defined area.
 
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