do pandas really stay pandas?

I have a panda oranda for about 6 months now. His colors were black and white. All the black is gone and now he is orange and white. I still like the colors and I am happy that I bought him.
 
Panda Orandas

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I just purchased 3 Panda Orandas from Kimmykoiart they are goldfish and koi importer from China. The Panda Orandas are about 5" , I also purchased another stargazer from them as well.Im really looking forward to getting them tomarrow. Hopefully they will make the trip across the states ok .I saw their picture on ebay and I was recommending them to another person to look at ,who was also looking for a panda , then when I watched the auction get to the end and noone was bidding ,it was too much .so I bidded . to get Pandas is hard enough but to get imported Pandas from China I couldnt pass that up, all of their fish looked really nice. it costed me with shipping $32.50 ea thats such a great deal!
Im hopeing they keep their color pattern...time will tell but I think if they are already 5" they will hold it.ill keep my fingers crossed
 
going going ...gone

I got the Panda Orandas in the moring at 9am the next day after they shipped them ,I thought wow that was fast but I was dissapointed that the shipping company - fed ex didnt wait till i answered the door before they left the box of fish on my doorstep and they rushed off...
anyhow the fish have nice head growth and faces as cute as can be. they were 5" TL and i noticed right off that their Panda markings are not going to stay as they had already showed faded markings exposing the orange patches under.But I still really like them and im happy to of gotten them.
 
i'm kinda new to all this forum business, but i joined up to find out about my panda - i've had it for about 1 1/2 years now and it's about 5 or 6" long ( is this normal growth ?) and its colour is the same as when i got it at 2" length, ie. it is black and silver with very small amount of gold/orange between the two. the only change i have noticed is that some of his/her black scales have become silver on the very outside edge - approx. the outside 1/4 mm only... also the growths on its head and cheeks have become larger - is this normal? any ideas on what it might be worth if i wanted to sell dye to tank size restrictions?
 
The information that Marc provided was dead on. That having been said, I received a suprise when I bought what I believed to be a well-bred Black telescope. It developed, after two years, into a true panda with neither yellow or orange casts. I couldn't be more thrilled The bottom line? You get what you pay for, and even then, you never know...

As much as I love the "panda" look, I believe that unless you are really willing to get into "high-roller" goldfish buying, the genetics are too iffy for me. Old thread, but information is still good.
 
I don't think I can agree with everything Marc has said. Whether a panda changes color or not has nothing to do with how much you pay for the fish, and is very much so a crap shoot. The more expensive fish tend to be larger, and a larger fish will have a greater chance of holding onto particolored patterns, but at the end of the day, there is no fixed genetic makeup for a panda goldfish. If you want truly stable bi or tricolor goldfish, you have to get into some of the new color varieties that have been developed from calico stock. Tricolors, kirin goldfish, and many of the crystal type colors have been shown to hold their patterning/color far better than any of the straight up metallic goldfish. Unfortunately, these fish tend to show a mix of colors, more like a brindle dog than the well defined patches of solid color one generally expects from a panda goldfish.
 
Partially demelanized metallic fish will eventually fully demalanize in my experience. Take a picture, it will last logger than the panda coloration.
 
I just bought a panda butterfly last night. I know this is an old thread but I was googling and it came up. I was wondering and I think you all already answered my questions, was whether or not he would retain his colors or not. Beautiful fish. I've wanted one forever but have never seen them in stores before. I found him in a little ma and pa place yesterday. Doing all I can to help him survive. He's fine at the moment, but the owner told me that they just got them in yesterday and he is quite small. Came home and set up a qt for him. Usually in the winter I use a heater and keep it at around 75 in my other goldie's tank but I don't have any more heaters. Should I buy another heater for the month this new guy will spend in QT or not? The QT temp is around 69-70, which is a little cooler than I like to keep my goldies. I really hope he keeps his color. I bought an oranda from this same place about a year ago. When I bought him he was orange with a black cap and a black stripe down his back to his tail. Never saw another fish marked like that. Well, now he is solid gold! Oh, well. As you all have said, by the time the color changes you are in love with them anyway and it really doesn't matter!
 
Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum! As someone has mentioned pandas are fairly new in the market and therefore the gene pool is huge. Maybe in a few more years, after a few generations the colours will stabilize. Although someone has mentioned that they are breed outdoors, the black colour tends to become deeper in cooler weather. In heated water their pigments tend to change to orange etc. Warmer water promotes growth. So pick which one you prefer!
 
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