Converting a saltwater fish to freshwater

graycloud

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i know it can be done. a friend of mine kept a papio (giant trevally scientific name caranx ignobilis) with a silver arowana for about 2 years.
so, i'm looking for all information and experiences you possibly have. im pretty sure its done by slowly adding freshwater, but i'd like to know how much to add and how often, and any other info i may need.

thx
 
THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA

it being possible doesn't make it a good idea. it would be possible for you to live in a sewer but I don't suppose you'd have a very happy life.
by the way a giant trevally is one big fish. what size tank did you're friend have - just curious thats all.

even if a sw fish did survive in fw it would almost certainly have a reduced life span and be susceptible to disease.

please don't do this.

regards
 
The marine fish graycloud refers to gets to be 1.7 meters in length, plus its tail..

This post comes up from time to time. It is usually not a conscious hoax. Perhaps in the cultural background there remains some vague idea of Noah and his ark.

No amount of information ever explains anything is these cases.
 
Well, we can always try to explain the problem...

It's called osmotic pressure. Osmotic pressure is a measure of the amount of dissolved minerals present on one side of a membrane versus the dissolved minerals present on the other.
What happens is that water (just water, no minerals) will diffuse across the membrane to attempt to equalize the amount of dissolved minerals on each side.

Now, SW fish are in an environment with lots of dissolved minerals, a higher level than what is in their bodies. This means that water is constantly diffusing out of their cells into the ocean trying to even out the level of dissolved minerals (take away enough water, and the mineral concentration inside the fishes body would equal that of the ocean).
Now, this never actually happens, because the fishes body is constantly ingesting water to keep its internal supply up. If the fishes body didn't do this, its cells would shrivel as the water left them. result: death
also, keep in mind that the fishes body has to have some mechanism to remove excess salt from the water they ingest.

FW fish are in an environment where their body has more minerals than the surrounding water, so water is diffusing into the fishes body trying to even out the level of minerals. Without intervention, this would cause the fishes cells to swell and burst. Let's just say that's bad...
Now, the fishes body counteracts this by continually excreting water from its system.

Now, you say "convert a fish from SW to FW" It's simply not possible. the fish do not have the correct internal anatomy to carry out the functions needed to survive in the different environment.
That is the same as saying we'll convert your dog to living underwater by dunking him/her under water each day for progressively longer periods untill the dog adapted. Great, except the dog will never adapt. Its body can cope with the environment for a short period (holding its breath) but eventually, the stress will become too much, and the body will no longer be able to cope, and the dog drowns.
Basically, take a SW fish, and slowly lower the salinity, and the fishes cells would end up bursting (no, it's not like *splat* fish guts everywhere - you'd need a microscope). The SW fish has internal systems that conctantly take in water, and it never has to worry about excreting water. Put it in FW, and the water is constantly diffusing into the fishes body, and it doesn't have the proper mechanisms to get rid of it all.
There'd also likely be a problem with kidney function and cleansing waste from the blood...

Now, there are SOME (a VERY FEW) species of fish that can adapt to both environments. Usually these species native habitat is at the mouth of rivers where they may see large shifts in salinity on a regular basis, may even swim out to the ocean, or upriver a bit. BUT, these guys have evolved to live this way - their body has all the tools it needs to deal with both salt and fresh.
Of course, they probably don't want to work in one 'mode' exclusively all the time, and would be best in a brackish tank anyways...

As for your friend, what is the salinity in his tank? What is the hardness in his tap? add any supplements to the tank?
anyone know a bit more about the papio? how adaptive to changes in salinity are they?
 
If you dig a bit, you'll find that the specific fish listed can be live brackish waters, and in nature will occupy estuarian habitat (meaning very low salinity is common). The fish can survive in either environment, no adaptation needed.

http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?genusname=Caranx&speciesname=ignobilis

Always keep in mind that providing a fish with an environment that is as close to it's native waters is always best. Forcing adaptation can be done within certain limits--salt to fresh, in fish that do no come equipped with the equipment for both conditions won't work. The fish may survive for a while, but the long term costs are high--increased disease occurances, stunted growth, poor behavior, and death.
 
im well aware of the size the fish gets. the igfa (or whatever it is) record is like 191 lbs. i've also seen these guys in brackish water, and at the openings of canals/rivers. these guys were babies that were about 3-4 inches in length. as they grow bigger they move out into the ocean but i was thinking of catching these guys and starting from there.

his tank was 175gal i think. tap water is normal hawaii tap water. i didnt really get the specifics.
 
Well the size alone puts up another issue. Eventually (much sooner than later) you're going to have to let the fish go. Who knows what it's taking with it from your tank to the waters out there. Good chances are nothing, but it could also take something back out into the wild that will decimate other fish populations. If you've ever boughten something living from online or an LFS you run a risk.
 
Converting Sw fish to freshwater just doesnt work. You can do it with Fw fish and make them live in saltwater by slowly increasing the salinity, im not sure how to do this exactly and i would appreciate it if anyone has more info about this. example of one species is the largemouth bass they are mainly freshwater but can adapt to a life in estuaries and the diet will change from shiners and shad to sardines and anchovies....by the way i read that somewhere :p: ...anyway if anyone can find anyinfo about this it would help me out a lot becuz im trying to make a bluegill live in saltwater fun lil experiment.
 
Hey Graycloud did you ever see the pond at the Pagoda Hotel. It's a fresh water pond with Papio well more Ulua size I seen them over 13 lbs if your live on Oahu talk to the pond keeper and see how he did it.
 
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