advice with metronidazole t treatment

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Hi everybody,

need advice with metro treatment,.I just got myself an 8 inch arowana, noticed that he's pooh was clear and white. also no appettite.
how much metronidazole should be used if i'm to feed it to him?
i trieds to stuff a little piece into superworms and crickets but he just chews up and spits the med out. how much metro do i need to get him to eat
? or would it be better to just mix metri in waterer?


any advice?
thanks.
 
because the aro is not eating it is hard to dose.
typically metronidazole(aka flagyl) is dosed 1% solution soak in food for a few hrs in refrigerator...dose .25% feed 1% of body wt.

actual dose in water should be 6-25mg/l(29-95 mg/g) used in fw is not very effective



you can try other meds too Prazi is used as well as fen benzadole flubenzadole and levamisole.

do you know which parasite you have?

also even tho the fish did ont fully ingest/consume the food it will still pick up the med

I have seen my angels pull food in and suck/chew on it..spit it out and take it in again.
 
Hi star_rider,

so its ok even if only a little metro gets into the arowana?


I think its hexamita. I've used it before with discus and it was quite effective, but I'm a little hesitant to transfer my arowana, he's 300 gal right now and can't treat the whole tank. will have to move him into a 50 gal tank.
too bad he's not eating the metro :( but he does take food when there no med .
 
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i too am dealing with parasites (i think) in my tank. Through my exhaustive searching I found this old post by liv2padl which I thought you may find of interest:
while Fishzole may be useful for treatment of hexamita, it's of no use in treatment of gill flukes. moreover, unless you get at the cause of the parasites, treatment will be ineffective. if the fish in question are new, you should have quarantined them prior to installing them in an established tank to prevent the potential transfer of pathogenic bacteria and/or parasites to your tank.

Hexamita and Spironucleus are two protozoal parasites commonly found in the intestinal tract of some freshwater fish, although systemic infections can occur. Hexamita is also known as "hole in the head disease." Small holes appear in the body, especially the head region, and often strings of mucus trail from the lesions. Lesions may also develop at the base of the fins and near the lateral line. They have a direct life cycle, and are principally acquired by oral ingestion of trophozoites (the active, motile feeding stage of a sporozoan parasite) or cyst stages.

In addition to skin lesions, fish often stop feeding and develop a hollow-bellied appearance. They also typically have stringy, off-color feces. Hexamita often exist at low levels in the intestines of tropical fish, especially cichlids (including discus, angelfish and oscars) and gouramis. If conditions in the tank include stress, overcrowding, low oxygen levels, improper water parameters, changes in temperature or poor diet, the parasites can multiply, and the fish may then develop signs of systemic disease.

if the fish are still eating, the best way to treat Hexamita infections is with medicated food. For both Hexamita and Spironucleus, metronidazole can be used and is available commercially in fish food flakes. However, because infected fish often do not feed, they usually won't ingest an effective dose. In such cases, a bath of metronidazole can be used instead, immersing the fish for six to 12 hours, with 250 mg of metronidazole per 10 gallons of water. Metronidazole tablets, capsules or liquid can be used to prepare the bath.

Several courses of treatment may be necessary to successfully control these parasites.

as for gill flukes, they are commonly found on the gills, skin or fins of fishes and aquatic invertebrates. There are a number of gill and body flukes that commonly parasitise fish and can be introduced to the aquarium with new fish and plants. Mortality of aquarium fish caused by excessive parasite infestations is usually associated with crowding, inadequate cleaning, deterioration of water quality and undernourished fish that have been subjected to temperature variations.

Freshwater fish infested with flukes become lethargic, swim near the surface, seek the sides of the aquarium or pond and their appetite dwindles. They may be seen rubbing the bottom or sides of the aquarium (flashing). The skin where the flukes are attached show areas of scale loss and may ooze a pinkish serous fluid. Heavy gill infestations result in respiratory disease. Gills may be swollen and pale, respiration rate may be increased, and fish will be less tolerant of low oxygen conditions. Gulping air at the water surface may be observed in severe respiratory distress. Large numbers of flukes on either the skin or gills may result in significant damage and mortality. Secondary infection by bacteria and fungus is common on tissue, which has been damaged by flukes.

A few flukes on a healthy mature fish are usually not significant, however, moderate numbers on a young fish can cause significant mortalities. When fish are crowded or aquarium management practices are poor, the potential damage from flukes is greater.

Treatment of flukes is usually not satisfactory unless the primary cause of increased fluke populations is found and alleviated. If the disease is not in the acute phase, the simple addition of salt (1 level tablespoon per 20 litres of water) is often enough to solve the problem if combined with water changes and general cleaning of the aquarium environment.

also, Praziquantel (Droncit) used at 2-3 mg/L is very effective for control of both gill and body flukes and has a wide margin of safety for fish
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hope this helps.
 
I also found this post about garlic treatment courtesty of wataugachicken which also may be of help:
from a 3-second search:

Garlic has many antibacterial and anti-parasitic properties, mostly derivative of its high sulfur content. It can be fed to fish nearly all fish, tropical and coldwater, freshwater, marine, and salt, to cure many parasitic infections, internal external. Internal parasites are inherently hard to treat, because of the difficulty in getting medicines into the intestines, where they occur. Because of this, garlic fed to many aquatic fish can be one of the most effective cures and preventive measures. Garlic is commonly used in non-fish applications as a de-wormer in chickens, cows, and other farm animals. It can be safely fed to fish for such purposes, and can even be used to add fat to a fish’s diet. Its common uses are as follows:

Ich - Garlic has been widely rumored to cure ich, either by strengthening the fish’s slime coat, making the fish’s body undesirable to the parasite, or repelling it from the fish.

Neon Tetra Disease - There is no known cure for neon tetra disease, but because of the lack of a cure, garlic is worth a try, especially for containment. The high sulfur content of garlic inhibits the growth of parasite larvae, preventing them from reaching a stage at which they can feed and effectively starving them. Remember, though, that there is no conclusive evidence to this end.

Worms - Intestinal worms, AKA roundworms or flatworms, can often infect a fish’s body, causing it to waste away. Garlic has been, for all intents and purposes proven to prevent and can usually treat cases of these worms. Many breeders add it to their food mix to prevent the spread of these worms.

Discus - Garlic is very commonly used in discus, for it is an attractant to them, giving them more interest in their food. It is also effective against parasitic nematodes apparently common to discus

Why it Works: Diallyl thiosulfinate, commonly Allicin, is a common pharmaceutical ingredient. It is also present in garlic. This is effective against gram-negative and gram-positive bacteria, much like a maracyn - maracyn-2 combo. Garlic uses a very complex defense system, including Allicin and many other substances that ward off bacteria and fungus. It is this chemical immune system that makes garlic such an attractive food additive. Thoroughly crushing garlic is crucial, as two separate chemicals (alliin and alliinase) must be released upon trauma to garlic. These combine to make allicin.

How to Feed it: Garlic can be administered in several ways. First, a crushed up clove of garlic will most likely be accepted by most omnivorous fish. If the fish does not accept it ground up, (put just a little in to test, fish it out afterward) you can incorporate it into its food in several ways. If you have larger, carnivorous fish like oscars you can mix some freshly mashed garlic into thier beef heart or whatever meat you feed them. For flake and pellet fed fish that don't take it, you can sprinkle the food with some garlic oil. The age of the garlic oil makes it less effective, but it's stil garlic. (hopefully) You can, alternatively, drop finely ground garlic and pellets into a small cup and mix, grind, and shake them together. Then, either pick or strain out the pellets. Labor intensive, yes, but effective. For flakes, breaking a bit off the clove, maybe sqeezeing it slightly, and patting onto the flakes should would. Most of them should stick on. You can scrape them off with your finger over the tank, and then rinse your finger in the tank. There are commercial garlic medications, but i'm inclined to think they're a bit like garlic oil wrapped in silk bows, some expensive French wrapping paper, and one of those yuppy shopping bags that cost more than the items they carry
 
yes, even a little of the meds is effective..and the fish will take meds in even if it doesn't eat the food.

hexamita..flagellated protazoans..actually i was studying some and stumbled across info ..it was obscured and buried.

but it is related to what some consider agel aids/ a virus.

but in reality some of the smptoms of the 'aids'/virus are similar to flagellated protazoans.
typically the fish appears to form excess slime..the slime sluffs off and the fins rot.

typically associated as fin rot or columnaris

actually treatment with anti biotics is nearly useless..treating ith anti parasite meds however will kill the protazoan and the fish will heal.
I have an angel that actually went thru this..
treatment with antibiotics was proving fruitless..I treated with parasite clear and the angell is now on the mend.
 
I also found this post about garlic treatment courtesty of wataugachicken which also may be of help:
thanks for the info :) once i get my arowana to eat regularly. will include garlic with his feeds :)


yes, even a little of the meds is effective..and the fish will take meds in even if it doesn't eat the food.

hexamita..flagellated protazoans..actually i was studying some and stumbled across info ..it was obscured and buried.

but it is related to what some consider agel aids/ a virus.

but in reality some of the smptoms of the 'aids'/virus are similar to flagellated protazoans.
typically the fish appears to form excess slime..the slime sluffs off and the fins rot.

typically associated as fin rot or columnaris

actually treatment with anti biotics is nearly useless..treating ith anti parasite meds however will kill the protazoan and the fish will heal.
I have an angel that actually went thru this..
treatment with antibiotics was proving fruitless..I treated with parasite clear and the angell is now on the mend.


thanks :) i'll try to move my arowana into a hospital tank to concentrate on huis treatment :D
 
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