Would like advice for single goldfish in 40 gallon tank, please.

chibikaie

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Hi, all. I'm not new to fishkeeping, but I can't make up my mind as to what's best and I'm honestly terrible with plants, so I'd love any comments, suggestions, or advice.

I have a three inch (I measured!) common goldfish in a 40 gallon breeder. She's already eaten my previous half-hearted attempts to introduce plants to her aquarium, although she's left the marimo ball algae alone. I did have a setup where I was growing duckweed for her to eat as a snack, but I had a bit of a plumbing issue wherein the duckweed escaped into her tank, and she ate it all.

Currently, mint is growing in the top of the tank using inert hydroponic media and an LED plant grow light. Tank water circulates through it (there's a trickle diverted from the outflow of the power filter). However, growth is pretty slow. There's definitely some nitrogen uptake, because once I let the tank maintenance get away from me for three weeks and the nitrate didn't rise above 40 ppm - but not nearly as much as I would like. I knocked it down to 10 ppm with water changes and it's back to 40 ppm within a week. I find this slightly mind-boggling, because I didn't have this much trouble maintaining water quality when I had a 20 gallon tropical community tank. I know they say goldfish are huge waste producers, but this is kind of ridiculous. I only feed twice a day, and only as much as she will eat in 30 seconds, not even two minutes.

I wanted to get her some companions, since goldfish are social, but I'm not sure I can reasonably maintain water quality with a higher bioload. My schedule doesn't lend itself to twice weekly water changes. I definitely don't want to get her a friend and then lose both to nitrate toxicity. This is why I was hoping to use plants to consume the nitrogenous wastes.

So I'm trying to fertilize the plants to encourage better growth. I've started adding Flourish potassium (5 ml) every other day, and API Leaf Zone once a week for iron (15 ml). I already add calcium carbonate and magnesium sulfate since my tap water is extremely soft and thus not ideal for goldfish. Should I increase frequency and/or amounts? I don't usually do huge water changes (20% weekly or every other week), so I've been aiming for dosing according to PPS-Pro, the low end of Estimative Index, or somewhere in between. I assume it's silly to add nitrate since I already have an excess of it in the tank water. I haven't added phosphorus as I read that fish waste contains a decent amount of that nutrient, and boy do I have plenty of fish poop.

Do I try adding more plants? I could get more marimo balls. I've read that goldfish usually leave hornwort alone, and it's not illegal to own in my state (several other popular floating plants are, and she'll uproot anything that needs to be planted). Or do I try to rig up another bin of hydroponic media? Or is it silly since the plants I already have aren't using up the nitrates anyway?

Do I give up on plants and use zeolite or another nitrogen-absorbing chemical media to bring down the nitrate levels? Attempt a freshwater deep sand bed? Throw my hands up in the air and say that 40 ppm nitrates isn't that bad?

Help is much appreciated!
 
your tank is too small, you are feeding too much, and your water change schedule is not sufficient. those three factors are contributing to your nitrate problem.

i would suggest rehoming the goldfish and getting other fish that are more suited to a 40 gallon. you could make a nice tropical planted tank, since it sounds like you really want plants.

with soft water, you could do a really nice tank with cories, a few of the smaller species of rams, or apistos, and an angel for a centrepiece fish.
 
Have you tried anacharis? It is super fast growing, goldfish LOVE to chomp on it, and it is a nitrogen sponge, so it will absorb a lot of those 'trates. You'll have to keep it growing in another area, toss a big clump in her tank, and replace as she eats it. It should help you somewhat in the short term, though. My fancies LOVE IT, and I never have a nitrate reading in my tank, between that and a good water change schedule. Comet goldfish need 30 gallons per fish in the textbook, but, you really need 55 gallons for your first to accommodate swimming room for your full grown fish. You could be OK for a little bit in the 40, but you do need to step up your maintenance schedule. I agree to also feed less. (bump it down to once per day, & see if that helps.) You also need to do minimum 2 water changes per week for goldies (I do 3 or 4 for mine), with gravel vacs with AT LEAST 1 of them. Do you have a python style changer? That would help you GREATLY. You won't have to lug buckets, and can do other tasks while the tank drains and fills, as it hooks up to a faucet, drains into the sink, and fills from the tap directly (add your water conditioner for a full tank volume of water before starting the refill). If you're filtering with a HOB filter, get a gallon of water from the tank while doing the changes, take out your cartridges, and clean them in the gallon of tank water to get the decaying tank detritus off of them, too. If that is the only tank you can get, and you can rehome your comet to a larger tank, or a pond somewhere, you could do 3 fancy goldfish in that tank, but, you should still do min. of 2 water changes per week. If you want to keep your comet, she needs to be a single fish until you get a larger tank, and I suggest looking on Craigslist for a used 75 gallon set-up at a good price. You could keep 2 comets in that, and maybe a bristlenose pleco. You're still going to need to bump up your water changes, though... goldfish are just a high maintenance fish like that. Even adding the anacharis to absorb the nitrates, you need to change out the water for all of the other gunk that will be floating around from the huge mess they make. Definitely not a change every 2 or 3 weeks- 2 a week is what they need.
 
Unfortunately, I live in a state where anacharis is illegal to own (along with salvinia, water lettuce, and fanwort), which is why I was considering hornwort. I wasn't sure if more plants are really the answer as something seems to be limiting plant growth.

I was planning on switching to a larger tank in the future, either a 90 gallon aquarium or a 150 gallon Rubbermaid livestock watering trough, but hadn't thought I was at a point where I needed to do that just yet.

In the meantime, I can certainly cut back on feeding and bump up water changes. I do have to save up for it; I've been watching craigslist ever since she came home with me, and I'd be better off heading to the local Petsmart (people want $100 for a 10 gallon tank and a bunch of "accessories"). I wonder if I get a sturdy enough stand, if I could plumb in the existing tank as a sump? It would certainly solve the problem of growing plants that she likes to kill or eat.

I like her, though I would definitely hand her over to anyone who'd be able to take care of her properly. I have yet to find anyone nearby who wants a goldfish, though, much less someone who has a large enough tank or pond that isn't already overstocked.
 
The only plants that are known to grow with goldfish are java ferns and anubias. You can go to aquaticjungles.com and search for goldfish planted combo. He has great plants at reasonable prices.

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I wouldn't try to keep her in that tank past growing to 6", so, you'd have a few months. You'd definitely need to get the water params under control, though. More water changes will definitely help with that. You could try putting up an ad on here, when you're ready, stating that you want to buy a larger tank local to your area. I see people selling set-ups for incredible prices on the marketplace frequently. I don't see why you couldn't set up your larger tank with a sump system using the 40 gallon- that would be a great way to grow the plants where she couldn't get them, and could provide the very heavy filtration goldies need. Hornwort is also a good 'trate absorber. The stock tank could also be a great idea! You'd have to be wary of your winters, but, the farming supply store by me sells a 500 gallon round one for $240- probably another $200 or so to filter it... you could do QUITE a comet/common pond in that, for a much smaller price. You'd then have your 40 gallon that you could do fancies in (if you love goldies), or set up as a community tank. You have plenty of options!
 
Thanks everyone, those are good suggestions. I wish I could figure out this whole plant thing; it just seems wasteful to be dumping out gallons of water rich in nitrogen several times a week. I guess I could set up some containers of regular soil for plants, and use the waste water to feed those plants.

I hadn't planned on having fish again. But the bittern (wildlife rehab case) wouldn't eat her and no one knew what to do with an uneaten feeder fish. And of course now I'm attached to her, even though I'd much rather have less messy fish. She begs for food! It's cute!
 
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