Ram vs. Angel: Which to choose?

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I have a 75g community tank, and I'd like to add more of a showpiece fish to offset the general grayness of most of my fish. I'm thinking of either one German blue ram OR one angelfish. If I went with an angel, I would get it as a small quarter-size or less juvie. The rams that are available to me are about 1 inch to 1.5 inches at the lfs. I don't want to go online as shipping is generally more than the fish, and the fish available at the lfs are very nice looking.

Anyway, I currently have are as follows:
19 Diamond tetras
6 kribs (4 are going to the lfs this weekend, leaving a mated pair)
2 honey gouramis (would like a couple more females, but...)
2 L387 plecos (max out at 4.7")
2 baby bristlenoses (disappeared, unknown if alive, came in unwanted with guppies)
20+ guppy/Endler mixes (okay if other eat them/babies, encouraged for fry actually)
A handful of common ramshorn snails
Tons of MTS

I'm also getting 15 amano shrimp soon (end of week or next week). I might also get a bamboo shrimp in the next few months.

Anyway, my main questions were 1. Which would be more likely to eat guppy/endler fry? and 2. Which would be less likely to overload the tank? and 3. Which would be more likely to be compatible with all inhabitants.

I'd actually like whichever I get to eat the guppy/endler fry as I don't want to bother with them. Mistake to get them in the first place, I know. I was originally planning to get an angelfish, though, so I was hoping to have some snacks and hunting opportunities for it.

It's a planted tank with bacopa monnieri, pennywort, dwarf sag, Java moss, flame moss, Windelov fern, duckweed, najas grass, anubias, and soon to add salvinia minima.

I have several pieces of driftwood and mopani wood, most with moss or anubias or both tied to them. I also have several caves. There are also 2 fake plant floating baby hideouts.

Levels: pH is 7 or just under. Nitrites and ammonia are 0. Nitrates haven't been checked in a while as my test kit didn't come with it, and I only have a saltwater nitrate test. But, my tap water already has 20 nitrates. It could be over or under, but I'm guessing around that or under because of the plants. Temp 78.

Filtration is Marineland 360 canister with an additional Tetra Whisper power filter HOB rated for up to 60 tanks with only biofoam in it (mainly for ease of setting up the hospital/QT tank). Water flow is good, and I even had to make a surface divider (only goes down first 2" of tank water) to calm the surface agitation for my floaters.
 
JMO: If you get either get a pair (1 male and 1 Female preferred)

I like both angels and GBR's but if I had to pick one or the other the personality of GBR's wins my vote! Let us know what you pick! :)
 
^^^ Agreed. I'm a bigger fan of Blue Rams then Angels... Then again I have Blue Rams, not Angels...
 
that temp is on the cold side for Ramiezi(blue Rams)..
they prefer warmer water 82-84 one reason they pair well with discus
unfortunately angels probably won't work with your shrimp..unless you want to feed angels shrimp.

you may want to consider Bolivian Rams (Altispinosa) they are larger than Ramirezi





btw, fry in with angels usually become snacks for the angels.. they love live food
 
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i would go with the angel, but that is just personal preference. i've had both in my tank in the past and i much prefer the angels, much more personality in my mind!

as for the fry eating situation, i can't comment on that, never had any fry in any of my tanks.
 
Just another personal preference...I'd say rams. Actually, I agree with the above poster about considering Bolivian Rams. I have two in my 72g...wonderful fish, great personalities, smart.

I ALSO have Endlers in my 72g....I don't have nearly as many babies as I should. Every now and again, a couple survive by hanging out in the java fern. But...I'm pretty sure someone eats them, and I think the rams are the only ones big enough. :)
 
Okay, not sure which way I'm leaning then. Sounds like more of a personal preference thing so far.

How about this wild idea? Would I be totally insane to get one of each? As in, one angel and one ram.

Other than the shrimp, this would be my last fish to add to the tank and would round it out. Oh, wait, the shrimp. Forgot about them. Thanks for bringing that up Star_Rider. I don't want to spend the money on my amanos and then they get eaten!

I'm thinking rams then, lol. Maybe I'll bump up the heaters to 80, if that would be better for them. As I said earlier, I don't really want to go online to get one since I'd only be getting one and that's kind of a waste of money on shipping. I don't know of any lfs in my area that carries Bolivians, but I can check to see if they'll order them. Thanks for the help!
 
Other than the shrimp, this would be my last fish to add to the tank and would round it out. Oh, wait, the shrimp. Forgot about them. Thanks for bringing that up Star_Rider. I don't want to spend the money on my amanos and then they get eaten!

it's a great way to reduce your population of shrimp ;)
 
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