Questions about normal behaviour of Otos!

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Need some questions answered about Otos, if you've kept them. When they aren't moving, I get scared and think something is wrong... but then again, they have to sleep sometime right?! So what's normal, and signs that something is wrong?

a. How do your Otos behave during the day?

b. Have you ever observed your Otos with the lights off? How do they behave?

c. When they look and behave like the following, I can assume they are doing ok:

d. When they look and behave like the folllwing, I have reason to think they are not doing well:

e. How much food do you feed them, how often?

f. Have you ever seen an Oto not actively feeding for a day or so?

g. Have you ever thought you found an Oto dead, but it started moving again later?

h. If you had an Oto that during the middle of the day, was laying on the gravel so still you thought it was dead, but it wasn't, what would your course of action be?

(The parameters were an overnight rise in ammonia, to .25, 7.2 pH, no NitrItes, and 5ppm NitrAtes. Two water changes brought the ammonia down to what looks like maybe .10 ppm.)
 
a. How do your Otos behave during the day?

I rarely see my oto out during the day.

b. Have you ever observed your Otos with the lights off? How do they behave?

Feeding on tank sides, darting through tank in short bursts of energy.

c. When they look and behave like the following, I can assume they are doing ok:

Plump, but not lumpy. White abdomen. Normal pale pink gill coloration.

d. When they look and behave like the folllwing, I have reason to think they are not doing well:

Sunken stomach, yellow abdomen, bright red gills, rapid gill movement.

e. How much food do you feed them, how often?

Haven't fed mine yet and it's been 6 months. The tank is heavily planted and the oto looks well fed and produces plenty of poo so I am assuming there is enough algae naturally to sustain him/her.

f. Have you ever seen an Oto not actively feeding for a day or so?

Some days I don't even see my oto.

g. Have you ever thought you found an Oto dead, but it started moving again later?

h. If you had an Oto that during the middle of the day, was laying on the gravel so still you thought it was dead, but it wasn't, what would your course of action be?

Mine hides very well, and very often will not move from hiding on the back of a leaf even if I have the gravel vacuum right next to it.

If you have ammonia in your tank, I'm afraid it isn't cycled. Otos are sensitive fish in general and require matured tanks and pretty pristine water conditions to survive. Even in perfect water conditions they have been known to just up and die.
 
All right, first things first. Otos like to be kept in groups. You could probably get 3-4 more for your tank....HOWEVER you need to do something about that ammonia level first. Otos are VERY sensitive to initial tank conditions. They are very stressed when you get them from the pet store and I've heard mortality numbers of up to 50%. Once they settle into your tank for a while, though, they can tolerate some occasional "harsh" conditions.....they toughen up a bit. They also appreciate a planted tank and hiding spaces. Also, how long have you had your tank set up? If it's a new tank and uncycled (which might be why you have ammonia) you need to wait for the cycle to finish before introducing any more fish, let alone otos.

a. How do your Otos behave during the day?

My otos hide during the day, mostly. If they are out feeding, they are very skittish and quickly hide when people walk by the tank. From what I've observed, they mostly feed at night.

b. Have you ever observed your Otos with the lights off? How do they behave?

They mostly just "flit" from surface to surface in the tank, looking for algae to eat. When they find a good patch, they munch on it for a while and then move on.

c. When they look and behave like the following, I can assume they are doing ok:

A fat oto is a healthy oto. Look for a little round belly and a tail that tapers nicely up to the mid-section (basically, the tail should be as thick as the belly where the two meet). If the tail is very skinny, your oto isn't eating or there isn't enough food for him........that's a problem.

d. When they look and behave like the folllwing, I have reason to think they are not doing well:

See above. Also, if they are pale in color it's never a good sign.

e. How much food do you feed them, how often?

Otos don't really eat flake food. They eat algae, for the most part. So, you shouldn't really have to feed them. However, if you don't have enough algae in your tank, you can supplement them with some blanched spinach, cucumber or zucchini. Leave a piece in overnight and see if he eats it. You'll probably be able to see little pieces of oto poop on it if he was eating. It tends to look green-ish in color. I never really had to feed mine but I imagine you'd want to do that every other couple of days if there isn't any algae in your tank. Never leave the vegetable piece in the tank for longer than that overnight period. It could foul your water. Otherwise, they should be able to make do with the micro algae that grows on most plants/decorations. I haven't really had any success feeding mine algae tabs. They just don't seem to go for them.

f. Have you ever seen an Oto not actively feeding for a day or so?

I rarely see mine to begin with. I thought that my original 10 had died down to 3 at one point. Then, I did a major tank overhaul and found that I had 8 otos left (at least).

g. Have you ever thought you found an Oto dead, but it started moving again later?

Due to their size I imagine that otos are potential prey for any number of fish. This is probably the reason for their behavior patterns. Mine used to swim to wherever they were going and then land and stay still. After making sure the coast was clear, they'd start feeding for a bit and then stop again. Like I said, they're a little skittish. I doubt it's uncommon for them to spend a lot of time just sitting still, hoping that no one sees them.

I've also seen them fall on their backs while sleeping. Very funny. On occasion, while gripping and inclined surface, one of my otos would just kind of "fall" backwards. The first time I saw this I thought something was wrong and tapped the glass to see if it was still alive. It snapped up and righted itself in the same spot it had been resting before and acted like nothing happened. Very odd.

h. If you had an Oto that during the middle of the day, was laying on the gravel so still you thought it was dead, but it wasn't, what would your course of action be?

Well, if it looks fine overall (like as described in c) I leave it alone.......maybe tap the glass to make sure it's still alive. If it looks sick in any way, there's really not much you can do.

From what I've read, the way they catch otos is by stunning them with chemicals in the water. This does some level of damage to their organs. The ones that survive are held and shipped in containers lacking the algae they need for their diet. So, by the time they arrive in the pet store, many of them are sick and starving. If they can bounce back, they usually do, given that the water parameters are normal. If they are too damaged from their ordeal, then there's really no treatment that will help them.

I would just continue to do water changes and find out why you have ammonia in your water. If your tank is uncyled, keep up on water changes to keep the ammonia at or as close to 0ppm as possible. If you have an established tank, there has to be something wrong with what you're doing to be causing an ammonia spike. Find the problem, fix it, and cross your fingers. BUT DON'T INTRODUCE ANY MORE OTOS UNTIL YOU DO!

Good luck!
 
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a. How do your Otos behave during the day?

A:mine lazes around in his "chosen spot" in the java moss

b. Have you ever observed your Otos with the lights off? How do they behave?

A:he industriously rasps every surface in the tank, if I come to close he zooms off.

c. When they look and behave like the following, I can assume they are doing ok:

A:they eat and zip around the tank after the light are out, or sometimes while they are on.

d. When they look and behave like the folllwing, I have reason to think they are not doing well:

A:they lie around even at night, they seem thin, never see them rasping at algae.

e. How much food do you feed them, how often?

A:none. as long as there are adequate levels of algae in the tank, you don't need to feed your otos. however, if you think they are not getting enough or your tank is low on algae, you can supplement them with blacnhed plant material and algae discs (when buying algae discs, make sure to buy the onbes with the lowest animal matter content, no fish meal.)

f. Have you ever seen an Oto not actively feeding for a day or so?

A:every once and a while, but usually he's quite active at night.

g. Have you ever thought you found an Oto dead, but it started moving again later?

A: nope, because I know that lying around and looking dead is normal behavior.

h. If you had an Oto that during the middle of the day, was laying on the gravel so still you thought it was dead, but it wasn't, what would your course of action be?

A:nothing, i'd let him get some rest, since they sleep in the daytime. if he was still like that into the night, i'd tap just to make sure, maybe test the water and check for signs of illness.
 
(Yeah, it's a quarantine tank setup since Saturday, 15-16 gallons, using filtration media from my cycled main tank for over a month. I'm surprised I'm having any problems, not only does it have the established filter media, it also has one of my plastic floating plants from the main tank, as well as 1.5 cups of gravel scopped from the main tank. It's been fine up until this morning, at which point I have to guess that maybe overfeeding was the factor.

Also, there are 2 of them in this quarantine tank. They started out quite tiny on Saturday night - the seller said they had only had them for a few days. I mean, tinier than I've ever seen any fish I've bought. One has grown, seems active and plump. I can't tell if I'm seeing the same one over, etc. The one good thing is that this Oto does appear plump until the tail, and was dark in color - but then, it was lying over black gravel, and I think they blend on purpose, don't they? I have only ever seen the 2 new Otos near to each other once. But to be honest, the fact that I see these itty bitty things at all, in a tank this size, covered in neutral rocks, is probably pretty good. (Because they came in so little, I used some of the netting that is covering the rubbermaid container, and wrapped the filter in it. I have a good feeling they could fit through the slots if they wanted to.)

Also in this temporary quarantine tank are 3 neons, who are doing very well, and 1 dwarf gourami who also seems to be doing well.)

Thank you for the answers - in my main tank, my Oto appears quite active, night or day, but sometimes sits so still its kind of like he's floating suspended above the clay pot, for example, very stiff. He must be sleeping (but still it gives me paranoia.)

Doing the water changes are freaking me out... these guys are so little, at first I tried to do a water change with a net over the end in case I nabbed an Oto. (But it really slowed down the water siphon, which is already just a trickle, since the tank only sits 6" off the floor. Not a whole lot of gravity.)

When I saw the food that's collected, I knew I had to siphon it up, and move the rocks around, as well as the clay pot. Then I got to thinking... hope I didn't squash an Oto under the clay pot! I hope they would move out of the way... they would, right?

That being said, the ammonia alert is still indicating just a slight color off from 0. I've already done a 95% change, but I can probably take another hour and do another 50%. (The siphon really is that slow.) Or am I better to give them the night off, and do it tomorrow morning?

Also, I'm sick with a cold, and I'm wondering whether those kinds of germs, despite my attempts to rinse my hands before entering the tank, can transfer to these sensitive fish?

Thank you again for your answers.
 
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(Yeah, it's a quarantine tank setup since Saturday, 15-16 gallons, using filtration media from my cycled main tank for over a month. I'm surprised I'm having any problems, not only does it have the established filter media, it also has one of my plastic floating plants from the main tank, as well as 1.5 cups of gravel scopped from the main tank. It's been fine up until this morning, at which point I have to guess that maybe overfeeding was the factor.)

actually if this is a Q tank and you placed the fish in it and add the filter and media..you may see a small spike of ammonia.it should subside in a day or two ...you may also see a small spike of nitrite. these spikes are usually small..but they do occur..
 
I have 6. Mostly they eat. They flit from plant to plant or suck on the glass. When I put zucchini or spinach in, they are all over that until it's gone. The snails help.

Otos are pigs with gills. If they look dead, it's because they have eaten so much they can't move.

I have seen them socialize with my other fish. If by socialize you mean chase or be chased.

A healthy oto has a round little belly and is usually pooping.
 
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I originally got 3 and 2 died within 2 weeks, stress I suppose. The remaining one was doing very well and showed himself all the time. I rarely have difficulty finding him, day or night. About a month ago I got 2 more. They seemed to be doing well....eating, hanging about with the older brother. Then I added a lot of new plants and rocks this past weekend. Now I can't find one of the new ones and one of them died. I know it was one of the new ones because of the coloring. The original Oto is still doing well. Like I said, still can't find one of them.

Hard to keep. I've heard drip acclimation works best when introducing to the new tank.
 
Do you guys think I should go for Round 3 of water changes, or leave it alone and see where it's at tomorrow? I'm thinking it's still at .10 to .15 ppm ammonia. (No NitrIte though.)
 
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