Endler's Livebearers

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Hi Everyone,

I'm getting some pure strain class n black bar endlers. I know that there are some other wild type color patterns such as peacock endlers.

Is it best to keep endlers with different color patterns seperate or is it okay to mix them. As long as they are pure strain endlers, meaning that they haven't been breed with guppies. Will mixed color pattern endlers be less desirable?

If you look at this website you will see what I mean. You can seen the different color patterns that the different wild stock endlers have.

http://swampriveraquatics.com/


I know that endler's breed as easily as guppies and I want to make giving them away as easy as possible. Either to other members and/or LFS.

Also, I'm curious how many people have/raise/breed endlers. Please post pictures of your endler tanks.

Thanks. :D
 
You want to keep the different strains separate. black bar is the original, all the others are hybrid strains.
 
Ok. 2 Pure class N Endlers crossed with each other will ONLY produce Pure Class N Endlers. It is probably best for you to keep the different strains separate. But if you wanted to mix them no one can stop you. The results will NOT be Hybrids.
 
Let me see if I understand correctly. The different wild strains if breed together would still be considered pure class n endlers. However, the color patterns would no longer be predictable.

However they would NOT be considered hybrids since they have not been selectively breed to create different "non wild type" patterns. I'm taking the assumption that hybrid means that they have been selectively breed.
 
I think it might be kind of neat to mix the strains. The only problem is that you could end up with totally mismatched fish that, if bred into other strains, could mess up the pure strains as has often happend in guppies and platys.
 
I am pretty sure that hybrid means a mix of two or more different species such as guppys.
 
The only wild type endlers are the black bar. All the others are a product of selective breeding or hybridization.

Considering that they are critically endangered in the wild, I would try to keep my strains as pure as possible.
 
You are completely wrong 247plants. I am a registered breeder of true class N endlers. Mine are colony bred from unselected wild endlers that have a number of different color patterns, not just black bars. Some of mine have black bars, some have peacock tails and my favorites among them have a nice lower red sword. Because I use only a colony approach, the resulting colors are a bit unpredictable but always have intense colors. You need to be careful what you get from swampriver because Adrian breeds both guppy hybrids, class K, and class N natural endlers. He is careful to list whether he is selling selections derived from wild endlers or whether it is a hybrid he has developed but you need to be aware that not all of his fish are class Ns. He has done a lot of selective breeding of his class N endlers to isolate specific characteristics so you will lose any progress that he has made to fixing a color pattern if you let the different strains mix, but you will still have pure class N endlers. If you want a wild type unselected mix, write him a note on his web site and let him know that you are interested in that kind. I got mine from Tampafishman1 when he used to sell almost nothing but colony bred wild class Ns but I don't see him offering them any more. He is the person that has the original ponds maintained for the endlers species maintenance program.

A quick picture of one of my endlers colony tanks at feeding time. It has a heavy concentration of the bottom red swords because I separated that color pattern from another of my tanks and allowed it to develop in this tank.
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This is one that I chose to start a new tank so it is well represented in the fry that have come along since.
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