Cichlid do's and don't s for a newcomer

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I am planning on changing my fish population to all cichlids and would like to get some help on which species I could put together. I currently have 1 Krib and a Blue Ram and they're getting along fine in my 55g tank. I am still confused between the different types of cichlids whether african or new world, malawian, tanganyikan, victorian, central/south american, madagascar/asian....etc.... These terms don't make sense to me...all I see are the bright and lively colors they bring to the tank. If someone can help me make the right choices so that I can fully appreciate these fish and not regret my decision I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks Christian
 
New World cichild has ph of 6.5 to 7.0. While African cichilds are higher on ph.

Oscar, Green Terror, Blue Acara, Firemouth, Red Devil, Jaguar, Severum, and more...they are new world cichilds.

African cichlids are Frontosa, Yellow Lab, Haps, Mbunas, and more.

Blue Ram is a peaceful cichild from New World. You can mix it with Blood Parrot. Even though they are territorial, but they don't have the teeth to harm fish. Or you can try Port Cichild.

Here, check this website out. It gives you some info, what's the ph, the temperament, and where the fish is from.

http://www.notcatfish.com/findex/common_findex.htm

Good Luck.
 
This link (from piefc) is confusing about the recommended pH for some species from the same lake.
They suggest a pH 7.2 / 7.9 or 7.9 / 9 for Lake Malawi.
And sometimes they recommend 7.2 / 7.9 for Lake Tanganyika.
7.2 would be too low and 9 way too high for Lake Malawi
Perhaps 7.9 could be OK for Lake Tanganyika but 7.2 is again way too low

Generally, the following pH values are recommended:
For Lake Malawi pH between 7.8 and 8.5 (preferably 8.2)
For Lake Tanganyika between 8.2 and 9 (preferably 8.6)
You can’t go wrong with these values.

As for which Cichlids I can only say, which do you like most.
It is conservative (pretty much), but the link below will give you an idea what to look for when it comes to compatibility.

http://www.malawicichlidhomepage.com/aquainfo/fish_compatibility_1.html

Jimmy
 
And remember, West Africans (like the krib) have similar water requirements to New Worlds (CA/SA), like your ram and some CAs from the crater lakes can tolerate water similar to Malawi but not as hard as Tanganyika. Confused yet?:confused:
Basicly New Worlds are from North America (Central and South America mostly although many can now be found wild in Florida, Texas etc.) They prefer a pH around neutral and softer water temp in the upper seventies. But they are tough as nails and will take up to a high seven pH and cooler water (its just not preferred). The West African river species (the only ones you are ever likely to see are jewels and kribs) prefer similar conditions.
Old Worlds are generally from African Lakes Malawi and Tanganyika. I know nothing about them and couldn't tell a Hap from a Mbuna so I will leave someone else to give advice, but from what little I know Tangs prefer the most alkaline and hardest water.
Central American cichlids are, in general, a hundred times meaner than Africans and grow (in general again because there are species that negate this rule of thumb) much larger and need a huge territory and consequently tank.
South Americans (although there are some agressive species here too) are a little less outright mean than the CA but still territorial. There are also some docile species found here like your eartheaters and dwarves.
Always remember though when you see docile read it "won't gut tank mates and shred their fins in fifteen minutes flat". Other than that all I can say is google the fish and research it before you buy it otherwise you will learn the hard way with WWIII in your tank and lots of dead fish (thats how I learned before I found this forum).HTH
 
Not that you can't get good info on the board, but you really ought to buy yourself a decent book on cichlids if that's what you're planning on getting into. The Cichlid Aquarium by Paul Loiselle might be a good start.
 
To tell you the truth... don't worry about PH, and all that crap. All you have to do is make the tank according to the fish in it.. 55 gallon can house several cichlids. 1 big cichlid, or many smaller cichlids... make sure that you have proper filtration (emporer 400 or so) and do weekly water changes.. And truthfully I have had africans and south americans mixed, and the africans have always been fine with the south americans... until the midas got to be big enough to eat it.. but that's another story.
 
Originally posted by Eric86
To tell you the truth... don't worry about PH, and all that crap. All you have to do is make the tank according to the fish in it..

I wouldn't call it crap.
It's true that most cichlids will and can adapt to water-conditions different from their own, to a curtain extent. But not all species have the same kind of cells, i.e. cells that have the same tolerance or can survive within the same conditions. Every single species carries its own genetic code which is information on how its cells should be built ( and that won't change because the fish is bred in captivity) These cells may adapt to a wide range of external conditions but not without a cost. When a cichlid is exposed to conditions outside its tolerance range, he will die. This could be within a week, a few months or even a year.
So, I guess you shouldn’t call it crap.
I think that Scott is right on the money with his reply.

Jimmy
 
check the pH and the hardness of your tp water or whatever you use to do water changes, and pick fish according to that, makes it so much easier in the long run, trust me.
 
Eric86. I don't understand. Why would you give someone advice based on an experience you had where a fish was killed? Doesn't sound like very good advice. I wouldn't really call it another story either, as like I said, CA are much more agressive than Africans and get much larger and therefore will kill them. so the two just don't mix.
And I would hardly say pH is crap. I don't think we need to match the Amazon Rain Forest but at the same time we need to keep it close to what the fish require.
 
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