Cherry Shrimp Decline

FrenchFry

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Hi!

A few months ago, I bought a Marineland 5 gallon hex aquarium which is planted with lots of java moss, anacharis, hornwort, and an Amazon sword in an EcoComplete substrate. Once the tank was fully cycled and the parameters seemed perfect, I adopted a small batch of red cherry shrimp. They appeared to be doing very well, so I adopted some more and had a total of approximately 30-40 shrimp.

While the cherries have all grown considerably and the females have become saddled, none of them have bred since they have been placed in the tank in October. More alarming still, over the last few weeks there has been a slow but steady decline in their population. They all look active and healthy, but every two to three days I will find a dead shrimp body. It appears as though they are having trouble molting, as many (but not all) of the bodies are located near an empty molt shell. I have tried to address the molting issue by adding some crushed corals and a piece of cuddlefish bone to the tank, but the die-offs have continued.

I have been testing my water with an API test kit for the last few weeks to gain insight into the problem, but I haven't noticed anything that would explain the sudden deaths. Water parameters this week have consistently been:
Ammonia:0
Nitrites:0
Nitrates:0
Water Hardness: 3-4
ph:7.5
Temp: 78-79 degrees
Light: 10 hours/day, two five hour periods with a siesta in between

I feed the shrimps twice a day with a very small mixture of Hikari flakes, Hikari blood worms, and Omega One algae wafers all served in very small quantities which disappear quickly. During the rest of the day, they feast on the algae growing on the plants and moss.

In light of the sudden deaths, I have been performing small (5-10%) water changes daily for the last week, just in case there is some sort of toxin. When performing the water changes, I always use cold water from the tap and treat it with Tetra Aquasafe. I then wait until the water is room temp before adding it to the tank. Copper in my area is supposed to be low, but I have not been able to locate a copper test yet (though I went to five stores this weekend to get one), so I am not positive that this can be ruled out as the source of the problem.

With the exception of the water conditioner and some Seachem Purigen which I put in a pouch near the filter, there are no chemicals or fertilizers being added to the tank.

The shrimps' tankmates are a small Mystery snail, otocinclus fish, two Amano shrimp, and three feeder guppy fry, all of whom are doing exceptionally well.

I am extremely attached to these shrimp, and heartbroken that something is causing them to die. Does anyone have any helpful recommendations? Does it seem likely that the problem is due to copper? the water conditioner? diet? plants? Any advice from more experienced shrimp keepers would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
 
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I'm new to shrimp as well... but I think PH has something to do with molting... don't know the requirements for RCS though. My tap water is naturally high PH (8.0ish), and it appears my baby RCS are molting.
 
FF, you describe exactly what I went through with my first 2 batches of cherries. I did almost exactly what you are describing (more plants, some seashells rather than coral but same principle, etc), and the decline continued until there were none. Was determined to give up rather than kill another batch of shrimp.

Until of course I broke down and tried just one more time. And took seriously the advice from many successful shrimp raisers to feed them virtually nothing. Had them in a tank at first with a pair of endlers and their fry; fed just enough for the fish and nothing more. After the endlers passed out of the picture I now feed 1 quarter-inch or so piece of Ken's spirulina stick....and only on days when the sun is shining at noon.

they thrive. They breed. Started with 20 and now have 4-5 females berried on a more or less constant basis. The brightest reds get pulled out and put into a 10 g to concentrate the good genes. In that tank they have only a pair of elderly neons for company and I feed there the same was as I did with the endlers, just a teeny pinch of flake for the fish. Plants, some wood and rocks are all grazed on a continuing basis.

Oh, and the tiger shrimp are in the 10g too. Those are having a harder time....I see females with berries but very few newborns and even fewer have made it to juvie stage. I think I may have too few (started with 10 and had a couple of losses) so am going to get some more from Mgamer as soon as the weather improves a bit.

So my advice: cut down on the feeding to once a day, and cut the quantity down to half or less of what you feed at one time now. Can't guarantee success but it's what worked for me. Best of luck. :)

edit: to add, I don't know what the Seachem Purgen stuff is for but you might consider removing it just to cut down on the number of variables affecting matters.
 
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Hi XanAvaloni, thanks for the suggestions. The food always disappears very quickly, but I will feed them less to see if that helps.

Seachem Purigen is a filtration product that adsorbs nitrates, nitrites, ammonia, etc. I believe that it is 100% shrimp-safe, based on the feedback I have seen from a lot of people who use it.

http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html
 
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API Copper testing revealed 0ppm of copper in both the tank and tap water, so that is definitely not the issue.

If I switched to Prime instead of Aquasafe, would I encounter any issues?
 
I use Prime with zero issues in my RCS tank.

Don't know what other advice to give you, as I've never had your experience. Other than your nitrates being non-detect seems a bit off.

Are you witnessing the molt? Are the deaths juvies or adults? Is there the off chance of some other kind of hitchhiker in the tank...planaria, hydra...that could be preying on the shrimp while they are in a vulnerable soft shell time right after a molt?
 
pesticide, food presevatives, MSG...
so many things that are harmful to your shrimp, if shrimps stop breeding, there is virtually no way to pin down the problem.
change water, change/bleach substrate, remove any rock or driftwood, bleach the empty tank...

start all over
 
french fry,

what kind of filter do you use and what is the rate of flow. what substrate and any rocks or wood in there. Purigen is a great product it is shrimp safe. Stop the water changes until you narrow things down. when you change water what is the tap water PH. You may want to just add water to the tank once a week to top it off instead instead of changing water. If you only have 40 shrimp in there may not need a lot of water changes. Food-you do not need to feed every day maybe once every other day. Then feed only one thing until you decide and get confidence that it is ok for your shrimp. I would use hakari algae wafers or shrimp cuisine. If you shrimp can not molt this could be a problem as well, but it looks from your water chem that is probably not the issue. Since you put all those shrimp in your tank have you checked water chems again. Do you match PH and water temp from your tap water to your tank before adding the water. One last thing shrimp colonies will top out in a tank and crash to a point many die or they stop breeding. A 5 gal will handle 50-100 if things are ok, some folks will disagree with this and believe it to many. So lets start with this for now
 
Hi

I had a problem with my shrimp starting out and Thanks to Bartman and others i think it was the ferts i was dosing my plants with , when i stop the ferts the shrimp stop dieing :)

GL
 
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