Cherry Barb with red, swollen lips

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I have 2 female cherry barbs and 4 neon tetras in a 5.5g quarantine tank with a 10g whisper filter, a heater, some hides, and a little bit of java moss. I've been feeding them a mixture of different pellets, bloodworms, and live bbs. I siphon out the debris every day. They've been in there for about a week so far, and all of a sudden this morning that cherry barbs lips look like that. Any help would be appreciated!
 
Anything?? I'm going away on Sunday and I'll be gone for 10 days. My neighbor that I trust with fish is going to come over to feed/clean my tanks, and do whatever needs to be done for the sick fishy..It'd be nice if I could figure out what this is before I leave so she'll know what to do. I've been googling all morning and so far, nothing.
 
never heard of red swollen lips.

when you mentioned them being in a quarantine tank, does this mean you bought them recently? If you just got them recently maybe could be a bad stock?

however, otherwise could be fungul or could be irritation.

maybe start treating with aquarium salt could be a start and probably checking the water parameter?
 
Yes, they're new, I got them roughly a week ago from petsmart, thought it best to quarantine them first before adding them to my and my neighbors tanks. I have started treating with aquarium salt and all of the params are as they should be. This is baffling me, I've been searching for hours and haven't been able to find anything useful. A few old threads on other forums that never came to any conclusion about it..
 
Hard to tell since many diseases may share similar symptoms.

5 gal is not that big and water chemsitry can change rather quickly to cause problems. By the time you tested your water, things may have settled down.
Small q/t should receive closer monitoring.

DO you have heater in this q/t? What is usual temp? Prev pH/NH3/NO2?

Try looking into Pseudomonad septicemia/Flavobacteriosis/Pasteurellosis for comparison.

Although doubt it but google Yersiniosis as well if temp is below 70F.

Good Luck!
 
I wouldn't treat with salt until you know what the issue is.
 
@cerianthus: Yes, it's heated. Temp is in the 78-80 range. Cycled appropriately for the bioload. I feed lightly and siphon all food out before it has a chance to rot, same with poop and of course my beloved water changes. The ammonia, nitrites and nitrates are all in check. Water is soft and acidic.

None of the other fish have any symptoms, the neons are acting perfectly normal, the other cherry barb is acting mostly normal, that's hard to gauge because there's only two of them and they do tend to act kinda neurotic when they're not in a group. The afflicted barb is spending a lot of time in the cave hide. When she goes in there, she floats weird, head pointed diagonally up. When she's not in the hide she floats normal. More of her face has become red but not as red as the lips so that could just be part of her normal coloration. No signs of fungus or white patches.

@Ballyhoo: They have scales, a little bit of salt won't hurt 'em. I work with fish so I'm not too much of an idiot when it comes to this stuff ;)
 
This looks like a bacterial infection, most likely, not to belabor the obvious. Rarely a viral, but most likely bacterial. There are several kinds of bacteria that can present like this so I would go with a good broad spectrum antibiotic.

Considering the size of your tank and the dosing requirements of several antibiotics I can think of, and the fact that you need to rely on others to do this for you, I think Kanaplex would be a good choice.

Kanaplex is a broad spectrum antibiotic that is absorbed through the fish' skin, which is important, and it has a little scoop that will be the proper dose for that tank (level scoop per 5 gallons), and would be much easier than trying to divide and correctly dose Maracy and Maracyn 2, (another good combo of antibiotics), for that size tanks as the packets are premeasured for 10 a gallon hospital tank.

I would lower the temperature in the tank, slowly, to about 75 degrees to help slow down the spread of the infection. Columnaris takes off at temps above that, and while we can't know for sure at this point which specific pathogen is involved, this certainly could be Columnaris, which can present with redness at the mouth, and which is why Columnaris is sometimes called "mouth rot" by different individuals.

Any of the pathogens Cerianthus mentioned may be responsible, that's why a good broad spectrum or combo would be good.

Start with a big water change, removing in carbon from the filter. Dose the tank. Next day appx 24 hours later do another huge, (90% if possible) water change and dose again.

I would use Prime to help with traces of ammonia and/or nitrite, and make sure you remind your neighbor to keep the temperature of the repacement water matched with the tank water.

One could suggest that isoloating the sick fish from the others would be a priority, but I'm thinking the other fish have been exposed and I would go ahead and include them in the treatment plan.

I would do the water change and dosing for 10 days. I've done this successfully and have had excellent results, using Kanaplex, and in other cases the Maracyn/Maracyn 2 combo the same way.

If you can't find Kanaplex (kanamycin), trying to keep the workload issue as simple as possible for your friendly neighbor, I would get Binox if you could find it. (there's a little scoop in that as well, so dosing is easier).

Also, if none of the above are possible, then I would get Jungle Labs Fungus Clear, which is really for bacterial infections and does treat true fungus as well. I've used it successfully, still doing the daily WCs and dosing, (must do the huge WCs), and although it is a tablet for a 10 gallon, it is easy to score the tablet and break it precisely in half.

Jungle Labs also makes medicated fish food, called Jungle Labs Anti-Bacterial medicated food. I would get that and feed that exclusively, and lightly, so meds are getting inside the fish as well.

I hope this helps, though it's a shotgun approach to treating the fish. He may be very sick and too far along to help, but it's worth a try and I would go ahead and treat them all.
 
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Thank you very much Mel. Columnaris was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw the red mouth, which is why I've been freaking out. Today she is looking better, the swelling has mostly gone down and her head is normally colored, just the red lips. I know for sure I can get the jungle meds, I don't know about the other stuff. Would those be enough?
 
I had fin rot, cotton mouth and white patches on several platies which resulted in the death of a few Platies. All signs of Columnaris....but was very difficult to confirm since only Platies had them.

Maracyn n Maracyn 2 combo was recommended to me and it worked well for me here in treating the entire aquarium population. However, the Maracyn & Maracyn 2 are known to be really strong meds.
 
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