Can the bacteria that causes dropsy survive in empty tank?

b.greene

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I have a female betta who is living with just one mystery snail in a 3g tank. She has dropsy (it has been killing many fish in my 55g). I am currently treating both tanks with Maracyn and Maracyn 2. My question is, if she does not make it, should I continue to treat the tank before getting another fish or will it be gone once the betta is gone? As I said earlier, she is the only fish currently living in that tank.

Thanks!
 
Not sure, but why take a chance? Drain the tank and wash it out with a good double handful of salt mixed with enough water to form a thick paste. Smear it really good over all inside surfaces and the top frame. Let it dry, and wash it away.
 
Dropsy isnt as much a disease as it is a symptom. It can be cause by many things.
 
If you have it in two tanks the dropsy was probably caused by the same disease and transferred from one tank to the other by a net or another piece of equipment. I'd personally keep treating both tanks, even after the betta dies, then do a 100% water change on the 3 gallon and keep it going with the snail until after you are positive the 55 gallon is disease-free, then add a new fish to the 3 gallon. I say it like that because you don't want to put a new, stressed out fish into the mix until you're sure all your equipment is clean and safe.
 
Add me to JPappy & 247Plant's bench. One of the typical causes of that sympton is poor water quality. Which would explain why more than 1 tank is affected. The meds aren't going to help IMO. Get a liquid test kit and test your water for ammonia, nitrites & nitrates. The water is always suspect until proven otherwise.
 
Add me to JPappy & 247Plant's bench. One of the typical causes of that sympton is poor water quality. Which would explain why more than 1 tank is affected. The meds aren't going to help IMO. Get a liquid test kit and test your water for ammonia, nitrites & nitrates. The water is always suspect until proven otherwise.

I use an API liquid test kit.
Nitrites and amonia are 0
Nitrates less than 20.

Two tanks are affected because the female betta was more recently moved to the 3g.
 
The fact that it has affected more than just one tank, means either the quality control needs work b/c the disease/illness has spread or there is something out of your control. There has to be some factor...
Look at your water change and water quality. Could be a change in water from the tap or something that came in the water that would not normally be there. The water/sewer people don't claim the water they give you is safe for aquaria..just safe enough for you.
 
Dropsy is not, in and of itself, a disease, but a result of disease, illness, or poisoning, which causes some type of internal organ damage and failure which then results in accumulation of excess fluid in the tissues and abdominal cavity.

Dropsy is usually due to the failure of the kidneys and/or liver. In humans, and other animals as well, heart failure and diseases of the lungs can be a cause of dropsy, so probably this is true of fish as well, so they are correct it is not a disease but an end result of disease or poisoning.

Having read many of your threads and posts, I know that you carefully monitor and manage the water in your tanks so I have been reluctant to believe that the problem has been a result of water quality issues on your part.

It could be true, certainly, that something else from the municipal water supply could be causing a problem, such as more chlorine or chloramines in the water than you are dosing for in the tank.

Or, there could be some other source of toxins in the water which could be having the affect of damaging internal organs thereby resulting in dropsy.

lf one of those scenarios were the case it would seem more logical to me that most or at least more of the fish would be displaying symptoms of dropsy at the same time, instead of almost one at a time.

Having dropsy progress through a succession of fish in your tank seems more to be a result of a disease producing bacterium in the water.

I've read that the bacteria that produces columnaris, for example, can exist in a less virulent form in a tank, so there is not a massive epidemic that sweeps through the occupants, but rather, a more insidious, slowly moving process that infects the fish individually as the health of their individual immune systems dictate.

I think you do have some kind of disease producing bacterium in your tank, though I would explore the other possibilities regarding water contaminants. You could call your water department to ask if there have been increased levels of chlorine and chloramines. Also, check to see if anyone in the house has used any chemicals near the tank, or sprayed anything that might be harmful in the air in the same room.

I read a post in which someone had used an airosol fabric deoderizer, FeBreeze I think, that had caused serious problems, some deaths if I remember correctly, in their tank.

I know you know all of the dangers of contaminants, though. You've been doing this for quite a while and are an experienced fishkeeper.

Just trying to think of possibilities.

I still believe that the problem is an infection. If that is the case, continue with the antibiotic treatment. You may need to sanitize your tank and equipment since some bacteria are very tenacious. If you do wipe out all traces of illness by means of antibiotic treatment of your two tanks, then you will kill your biofilter, but you can start over cycling your tank again.

I think I'd watch the tank. Keep up the antibiotics. Keep water quality pristine. Check with the water department. If your fish improve and you have no further cases of dropsy and hopefully have some of the fish with dropsy get well (which is very rare, once dropsy has set in) continue on the assumption that you are treating a bacterial infection.

Keep us posted on the progress. Photos would be helpful.

Further advice can be offered as we see the direction things are taking and also what steps may be necessary regarding the disinfecting of your tanks.

I'm hopeful that we may be able to get more insight and advice from more folks that have a lot of experience with disease and/or dropsy.
 
Addendum to my post above.

Dropsy is usually due to the failure of the kidneys and/or liver. In humans, and other animals as well, heart failure and diseases of the lungs can be a cause of dropsy, so probably this is true of fish as well, so they are correct it is not a disease but an end result of disease or poisoning.


Of course fish don't have lungs, but the point is valid if you consider disease or some kind of impairment otherwise of the gills (rather than lungs) and their function to provide oxygen.
 
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